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Windows 2: Final Fantasy of operating systems (windows microsoft gui) (ninakalinina.com | ia)
9 points by amoroso 128 days ago | 12 comments
  • xc8 127 days ago
    I would not classify win2 as OS, still relied on MSDOS.
    • BirAdam 127 days ago
      Many people feel that way, but it had multitasking, its own APIs, its own memory management, and so on. Disk access was still handled by MS-DOS, but that was it. I’d say that it’s an OS as it is far more than a shell, but we can also use Microsoft’s terminology from the time, “operating environment.”
      • qingcharles 121 days ago
        I agree. As soon as you booted Windows it almost entirely sidelined DOS. DOS was more of a bootloader for Windows OS.
    • bmonkey325 127 days ago
      Respectfully, Is the distinction important?

      macOS and Next Step rely on BSD and the Mach kernel. Android relies on Linux and the dalvik jvm.

      • KODust 127 days ago
        Not sure if it's important, but Windows 2 is still fundamentally a graphical shell on top of DOS. I think the Unix parallel would be: is the X Window System an OS?
        • bmonkey325 127 days ago
          Ok. I will play. Is it because you invoke the shell vs having the shell started automatically. Leading to this query:

          Is Windows 95 an operating system ? If not why not. After all it relied on MS-DOS also.

  • bmonkey325 128 days ago
    How different that world would have been if the ibm / microsoft marriage had worked.
    • BirAdam 127 days ago
      I think about this quite often. OS/2 was amazing. It deserved to win. Honestly, the biggest problem at the time was that Microsoft was much more a bunch of cowboys, while IBM insisted on near perfection. The two sides simply couldn’t agree on anything. Microsoft’s “quality” was focused on being “hardcore” where they wanted things to be lean and quick, quality be damned. IBM was more focused on having very few bugs. If that meant it required more hardware, that simply served their bottom line.
      • qingcharles 121 days ago
        I liked OS/2 more than Windows, but there were no decent apps.
      • bmonkey325 127 days ago
        Cutler definitely called Microsoft cowboys after coming to start on n10/NT
        • Retro 126 days ago
          "n10"? Was that an early project name for Windows NT?
          • bmonkey325 126 days ago
            The orriginal target processor—the Intel i860, code-named N10 ("N-Ten") and that was what NT was called inisde Microsoft. i860 was a lousy for hosting OS but awesome for graphics. Soon that was abandoned and NT tageted x86, MIPS, Alpha, PowerPC, Itanium, x86-64 and ARM coming in later releases.

            Sadly that means over a quarter century of windows on ARM and it's still not right. Sigh.

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