There are lots of great comments on this topic on the orange site: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38792446

A great many apps were built with these tools and it made programming accessible, but it is time to move forward. I remember the complaint back in the day of how bloated and inefficent they were compared to other tools like vi and emacs. But my argument was to get to a solution as efficiently and efforlessly as possible and why waste ram and cpu cycles that could enable you to inch humanity forward just a little bit